Friday, February 11, 2011
Obama speech edits
Obama speech
Obama's Speech
No one in our group really follows politics, so we don't have much of an opinion about the bloggers interpretation of this speech. We do, however, agree with the second paragraph's points about his drawing individuals as "active agents," because we feel that is important in relating to and engaging the audience.
Makes it more listener friendly
Revisions pulled it all together
More personal
"That large-heartedness -- that concern and regard for the plight of others -- is not a partisan feeling"
Unified audience
"members of Congress -- Democrats and Republicans -- did not back down. They joined together so that all of us could enter our golden years with some basic peace of mind."
Obama in class readings
We as a group agreed with what the blogger was saying. We think he hit the ball on the head with his thoughts and ideas of what Obama had in mind in why he did what he did. We agreed alot on the blogger saying that Obama wanted to add more detail and more of a personal touch to his words. He really wanted to engage the readers and make it as personal as he was able to.
What Obama did to the draft
I feel that Obama's changes are a bit manipulative. You can make anyone agree with what you are saying by the way you say it. In this case, I feel like Obama is trying to appeal to the audiences emotions more so than the content of the speech. The blogger states that the President repeadedly added feelings and thoughts to specific people or groups of people. I think there is a time and place for appealing to one's emotions, but I don't agree that in a speech given by the President is appropriate.
Obama's Edits - Response.
Wednesday, February 9, 2011
A&P
I am glad that we were able to read something that was fun and not really contributed to academics, sometimes it's nice to read something that you may be interesteed in. It keeps me focused on the story when i read soemthing like that opposed to something that wasn't entertaining at all.
A&P
I however liked the story and thought it was well written. I found it nice to read a short story and take a break form the academic article. I liked the story but found Sammy's gramar a little annoying while readding.
Thoughts and Questions on A&P
Updike Discussion
3. We think the piece fits with identity by his observations of people and giving them instant identities. He identifies people by how they dress and how they move and then gives everyone a profile. For example, there's a queen bee and she has two worker bees following behind her. He also gives the people he's annoyed with identities.
5. If we were Sammy we would probably still have quit, but looked for another job first. His decision was very spontaneous, but we think he wanted to be spontaneous for once because he was afraid he would end up like his boss.
A&P In-Class Questions
2) His boss told him that he was making a mistake by quiting, but he didn't care and proceeded to quit. When he could have sucked it up and just kept his job and not try to impress the girls. We disagree with Gilbert, because it was more of a naive decision, trying to be the big shot. It came down to him being left by himself.
5) If it came down to us being in this position, we would not have gone about it the same way. We would have reinforced the managers orders to the girls and then continued to work.
The People Watchers
- He seems like a realist in the end in comparasion to the beginning and middle of the text. It seemed like he had always wanted to quit his job but this story gave him a profound reason to quit his job at the grocey store. The story was bitter-sweet because he has to come to reality at some point and realize what is going on.
3. He seems to be able to see others identites because people fall into a certain pattern after a while espeicially in the grocery store where you see people shopping in a grocery store every day. The setting of the grocery store never changes but the people who enter it and leave it do change which could give Sammy upper hand on seeing one's identity.
4. Writing in that intense detail is very interesting because it is evident that someone can get so lost in the moment with explaining one simple story. The purpose of the details is to give the reader a good image of what Sammy saw through his own eyes as well as the feelings he was going through at the time.
Response to A&P
2. Porter sees Sammy's decision as one to live "honestly and meaningfully." In a way, we agree because if you disagree with the politics at your job it may be best for you to quit. However, quitting because his boss embarrassed a girl is very different than quitting a corrupt law firm - that would be living honestly and meaningfully.
4. The detail in this story helps to build the reader's interpretation of the character's identities. We also see more of Sammy's identity, not only in his decisions through out the story, but also in the way that he assumes things about the girls based on their descriptions.
A&P group review
2. We feel that Sammy did not quit his job for the right reason. Sammy wasn't living meaningfully because the meaning was not interpretted by the girls. He wanted to be their heroes, however, it really doesn't affect them longterm like it would Sammy.
5. We both agree that we would not have quit because it wasn't that big of a situation. We can understand if the boss was being extremely rude to the girls, but he had to tell them they couldn't come into the store again unless they are in clothing. We think that's a very reasonable request.
A & P Questions
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I also feel that being kind to people is far more important than any job in the world, although he may have been intereseted in being more than kind. In my experience being a good person gets you alot furthur in life than always being a stickler for the rules or even being arrogant.
If givin hte same situation I probably would not have done the same as him, and thats simply because he overthought the situation. I liked his passion but it was a little misplaced. He was hoping to impress that girl, but personally I have bigger problems than that, bills and what have you. In conclusion, I like the writing, like the personality behind it, but would not have the guts to quit myself.
A&P (The people watchers)
For instance, I am someone who rarely uses the word "cute" in anything, no pun intended, but when I was at the mall one day I ended up seeing two little twins about 3 years old eating in big chairs pretending to be there parents. When one of the brothers had dropped his napkin I heard the other one say to him, "it's OK brother I'll get you another one." and they just went on pretending to be adults. That to me is something I had considered cute.
My depiction from above is kind of what I used to type and write like except worse. Lastly I also feel that sometimes just observing people who might not be wearing or acting like what you might think is normal, can help open one's eyes to how different we all really are and that we do in fact have our own identity's.
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However the weird spacing and random dots through out the paper got rather annoying after a while. Which is weird for me because usually mistakes don't bother me because I know I make plenty of my own.
Somewhere Someone is Thinking About You
I have read a piece written by Henry Rollins that I thought of when I realized Sammy tried but did not get what he desired. He put all of this effort into explaining the girls but never was recognized by them after he "heroically" quit his job. Rollins also describes his muse in such detail that the reader can feel it and that sensation, no matter what it is, follows them for a little bit. The piece is:
Somewhere someone is thinking of you. Someone is calling you an angel. This person is using celestial colors to paint your image. Someone is making you into a vision so beautiful that it can only live in the mind. Someone is thinking of the way your breath escapes your lips when you are touched. How your eyes close and your jaw tightens with concentration as you give pleasure a home. These thoughts are saving a life somewhere right now. In some airless apartment on a dark, urine stained, whore lined street, someone is calling out to you silently and you are answering without even being there. So crystalline. So pure. Such life saving power when you smile. You will never know how you have cauterized my wounds. So sad that we will never touch. How it hurts me to know that I will never be able to give you everything I have.
Even though I think he was trying to do something morally right, Sammy put himself under the bus by quitting his job. If the girls were unattractive, I think he might have not stood up to his boss and would have continued his monotonous job and mundane life as it was before. I'm not sure what Updike's purpose was for writing this piece, but I think he did put out a message, whether good or bad, of watching what and for whom you stand up.
A and P
"One advantage to this scene taking place in summer, I can follow this up with a
clean exit, there's no fumbling around getting your coat and galoshes..."
I think the funniest part of the whole thing was when he thought those three girls would hear him say "I quit!" and think he was the most dreamy guy ever.
I find it amusing that he nicknames everyone not 5 seconds after they come into his line of vision. Then, he varies people's nicknames between Queen and Queenie or Stokes and Stoksie. The way he describes things is amusing as well. It's very descriptive, and I can picture and recall the scene very well.
It would be a bit of a spectacle to see girls in their swimsuits at a grocery store, at least when you first seem them. I imagine young people and old people have different views on this. We know the narrator didn't mind it. I would probably say, "Eww gross, they don't have shoes on. That's disgusting." Haha. Other than that, it's not a complete shock if it's a beachtown. Though, the girls were being rebels and not adhering to the no shoes, no shirt, no service policy the A & P probably has.
I wonder how old those three girls are supposed to be. My best guess is 15 bare minimum... since the narrator is 19.
A & P
I really liked this selection written by John Updike. I feel that so many people can relate to it regardless if you worked in a grocery store or some other type of retail. I know I’ve been in this position plenty of times just walking around campus or sitting down to eat somewhere. You feel like just by seeing someone you can figure out they’re personality or motives.
Another thing that I really liked about this selection was when he quit his job. The feeling of “coolness” he feels right when he quits is so quickly wiped away when the girls just kept walking out of the store. This is another thing that I feel a lot of people can compare to as well. There have been times when I at first thought that a decision I was about to make was going to be great, but then quickly regretted soon thereafter. Coming up with a joke in your head that you think will be great but turns out to be either horribly awkward or just plain old unfunny is a perfect example of this situation.
Updike's A&P
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Now, as much as I admire Sammy for having the guts to quit his job, a job his parents got for him I might add, I think he made an irrational and immature decision. I do not know what will be of Sammy's life thereafter; I think some would say that now he can go and do something more meaningful and more enjoyable but I'd say that Sammy is destined to continue living a mundane life in that small town.
The last line "...my stomach kind of fell as I felt how hard the world was going to be to me hereafter," says to me that from then on Sammy will feel inclined to always be a man of his word and follow through with everything he says, no matter the consequence. And that there can be a very daunting prospect. We all think things and want to act on them, especially if we feel that an unfortunate identity is being forced on us (such as a cashier at an A&P) but many of us don't. And those of us that do act on them are seen as immature and irresponsible. I think Sammy was faced with a lose-lose situation....and the impact of which loss is more detrimental is entirely subjective and many readers will view it differently.
John Updike's "A&P"
“[M]y stomach kind of fell as I felt how hard the world was going to be to me hereafter.”
After nearly five pages of incredibly precise detail, I feel this last line is really the whole purpose for the story. Drawing a situation like this out is something I have a hard time doing as a writer, because I like to get straight to the point. I envy Updike’s eye for detail, and also his patience. He is keen in seeing that some topics are more easily digested when they aren’t served in such a straight forward manner.
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Tuesday, February 8, 2011
A&P
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Something I picked out pretty fast from reading A & P was the level of detail used to describe the main character’s surroundings was very precise. The way Updike described many of the characters provided a clear depiction of them, allowing me to form my own judgments. I feel like I know Lengel and others beyond the accounts given to me, because I know people just like them. People may be predictable or common, or maybe I’m oversimplifying it.
I don’t know if it was Updike’s intent or not, but I felt the whole situation was kind of depressing—from the florescent lights to the ‘sheep-like’ people Sammy had to witness. This might have been an alternative motive to his resignation; instead of aiming to impress the girl, he might have been driven to commit an act of defiance against this environment. Whatever the case, the reader is the one to make a final evaluation of Sammy’s character and why he did what he did. Is he a hero, or a fool? In this case, there doesn’t seem to be that much of a difference.
A quick comic I made composed of internet memes.

Shitty First Drafts and Why I Write
The second article was why I write. This was also a very interesting article as it addressed why the author wrote, and how she did it. What I liked most about this article is that she would have mental images when beginning to write a book, and she would go off of what she saw in her mind. It was as if she had nowhere to go with it, all she had was an image in her mind and then took this image to the next level by expanding on ideas that she has created. This really made me think about why I write, and how I will continue to write in the future.
Updikes A&P
That is what I understood from it but everything in between was very confusing and hard to get through my head. Especially the part where it starts with "Oh Daddy" I'm guessing it was one of the girls talking to her father. I started to think that I was reading a completely different story. I felt like it was narrator jumping from character back to narrator, which is what goes on in a story. I don't know maybe its me, maybe I have a hard time reading things like this, it was pretty late in the night and I guess I got confused.
Although I have to admit that it was a pretty funny and interesting story I actually enjoyed reading this. It is a little better than the other articles we have read so far. I read this story all the way through. I think that this is a piece that many people can relate to. I know a lot of people who have worked at grocery stores and absolutely hate their jobs because of the customers that they have to deal with on a daily bases.
Monday, February 7, 2011
updike A&P
This was a fun little short story to read. It was mainly about some cashier at a grocery store who saw three girls walk into the store with bathing suits on. And he kind of had a crush on one of the girls that he found to be very attractive. He watches the girls for a while and then they end up at his register after they are finished with their shopping. He was very happy that they went to his so he could talk to them and see them from a much closer view. Then his boss ends up coming out and telling the girls that next time they come in they have to dress more appropriate and not wear the small and very showing bathing suits. The cashier ends up getting mad that his boss embarrassed the girls that he ends up quitting his job, and he ends up walking out with kind of a scared feeling of how life is going to be now.
This short story had a very strong impact or connection on me because I worked at a small grocery store for about two years. And for a while I was a cashier. And I hated being a cashier more then anything because I hated dealing with all the customers. Just like the person in the story when I was a cashier there were a lot of people who always corrected me and watched me very carefully if I had made any mistakes while ringing up all of the things they purchased. After doing this a while everyday I worked there I always thought about quitting on the spot just like this kid did, however I didn’t want it to look bad if I wanted to get another job so I just ended up never quitting.